In their first engagement with Saber, Cu Chulainn was being pressed hard, but Diarmuid was able to pressure Saber. His Saber Class in F/GO is a 4 star servant, while his Lancer Class (and also Lancer Cu) are 3 star servants. Aron Headbutt 571,404 views. Most promising is the multilayered Recension I, mainly preserved in Lebor na hUidre, which testifies of the keen interest of its compilers in the portrayal of the characters, while the version in the Book of Leinster, with its tendency to omit what might lessen the heroes’ prestige, pays for its greater unity with loss of depth. So Nasu said something about a fight between two characters... so what? But he saw Diarmuid didn’t have long, and the great friendship between them moved his heart, so he went back for water, only to let it trickle through his fingers a second time. Like most Lancers, he focuses more on single-target attacks while fighting with his spear: Gae Bolg. In my opinion, it's more interesting and makes debating who would win more exciting and worthwhile. Cu Solo - Memorial Quest: Cu Chulainn Alter [Fate Grand Order] - Duration: 5:22. Cuchulainn definition, a hero of Ulster and the subject of many legends. It's pretty much universally agreed that Cu would destroy Diarmuid in a fight. It's a very weird argument to make, considering all you're saying is: "x is weaker than y because x wasn't trained by y's teacher" even though it wasn't even stated that Cu was equal to Scathach in terms of spearmanship iirc. You admit it yourself, Rama regards Cu as the greatest Lancer, in terms of spearmanship, don't be so quick to upscale Diarmuid just because of this as Nasu was referring to how much Magical Energy Diarmuid was being funded. Some people have already pointed out some stuff, however I don't think anyone's been quite vicious enough for the lack of a better term in tearing down some of these points, particularly the premise itself. Not to mention Cu COULD kill Kirei since he was close to him. EMIYA could avoid the luck check version just with his C Rank Agility and B Rank EotM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4PFOBNn2rE&feature=youtu.be&t=4m30s, You certainly raised some interesting points but we cannot certainly say diarmuid stomps cu as well considering cu has a shit master in kirei. Extra Rin is not really as good as Kayneth I would say. And I’m honestly really annoyed by them. A raven has deeper and less piercing sound. He is believed to be an incarnation of the Irish god Lugh, who is also his father. So in terms of combat, they're either equal or Diarmuid is a bit superior. Now let's get to the actual reasoning for why Diarmuid would beat Cu: Diarmuid is equal to Cu in terms of combat, if not superior considering the aforementioned Nasu statement, as well as Diarmuid's feats against Artoria when she a had a competent master. So we're just going to completely ignore the fact that Cu could tank lethal blows for NP activation or feign death? A long long time ago, there was a young Irish boy named Setanta. Court fees: As an aside, the fees payable in the civil courts used to be less than those payable in the ET, in respect of contractual claims for a few thousand pounds. Karna just said ‘I trust you’ and that was that. ... Lancer/Cu Chulainn Action Figure Toy Review & unboxing - Duration: 6:09. Cu's feat was surviving and scouting out six other Servants under Kotomine's unreasonable Command. Diarmuid is equal to Cu in terms of combat, if not superior considering Nasu's statement: Comptiq 2007-06 issue - Fate Dojo Q & A: Q: Cu Chulainn and Diarmuid are both Lancers, but who will win in an honourble battle? Another thing which supports this is the fact that the reason EMIYA distinguished Cu was because of his high agility. some of Cu's skills are completely useless and those that aren't are merely delaying the inevitable. Diarmuid also will not be surviving "Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death" regardless of how far he tried to back off. I have only one (1) braincell, for loving keiji. There Cú Chulainn cut down an oaktree in their path and on its side he wrote an ogam inscription which said that none should go past it until a warrior should leap across it in a chariot. /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.361933014be843c79476.css.map*/serious injuries in the fight with Cu. If he closes the distance, Cu takes him out, because you literally can't dodge a freaking reverse-causality attack. EMIYA needed Rho Aias for the thrown version " Soaring Spear that Strikes with Death " but not the luck check version ''Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death''. He is even a Demi-God in some stories but Fate seems to discard that. He shares a bond of mutual respect with his rival Servant, Saber, wishing to face her in an honorable duel to the death. A loud Kaw followed by a series of short Kaws. Cookies help us deliver our Services. ._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} The answer given in the interview conveys to us a couple pieces of information, some of which are interconnected. How else was he supposed to react? It wouldn't even be out of character for Cu, considering he never uses Gae Bolg right away, regardless of who he is fighting. So... Diarmuid is stronger A: Diarmuid received more backup from his Master (magical energy supply), thus in terms of pure firepower, Diarmuid was stronger. VS. Diarmuid Ua Duibhne. Here's my point. At a banquet Grainne , who was at the time betrothed to Finn, fell in love with the young hero Diarmuid . And I’m honestly really annoyed by them. New comments … Nasu could have been referring to Diarmuid having an advantage due to using two spears, while Cu can only defend himself with one. Fate/Zero, Fate/hollow ataraxia, Fate/Extra, Fate/EXTELLA, Fate/Grand Order, Fate/Apocrypha, Fate/Strange Fake, The Case Files of Lord El-Melloi II, Fate/Requiem, Fate/type Redline, etc., discuss all of these and more on this subreddit! Cu Alter's high survivability is still the stuff of legends, despite his Berserker class. Cú Chulainn told her to send their son to him when he was old enough to wear the ring. However, Disengage putting distance between Cu and Diarmuid works both ways, as now Cu can't use the reverse causality version of Gae Bolg to kill Diarmuid, as the distance he put between them would allow him to get out of the way with his A+ Rank Agility and EotM prediction. Scathach also believes he surpassed her in martial prowess and spearmanship. Cu Chulainn was to me a very interesting hero and I can see why his stories are still told in Eire today. This is like arguing that anyone can beat Karna because he had Jinako as a Master in Extra CCC and got his Vasavi Shakti deflected by Gawain in Foxtail. I'm not commenting on it much but you did get one thing wrong I think, and that's the fight with Gil. He was greatly skilled in battle, being able to defend Ulster by himself against the army of Queen Medb when all able-bodied Ulstermen were cursed and debilitated. I’m going to preface this by saying that I love both Diarmuid and Cu. .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} Finn had far more than magic water, even his profile explicitly says it. I'd stay away from that coughing guy if I were you. That is clear signaling of the differences between the two timelines. Even more if he uses his Noble Phantasms. The first and most notable is staying at a distance whenever Cu is about to activate it, just like EMIYA did in UBW. Bricriu’s Feast, Middle Irish Fled Bricrenn, in early Irish literature, a comic, rowdy account of rivalry between Ulster warriors.One of the longest hero tales of the Ulster cycle, it dates from the 8th century and is preserved in The Book of the Dun Cow (c. 1100). Different tales have it different ways. Kotomine literally gave zero shits about Cu and would have been stingy about giving him anything. In all honesty it's not something we can ever truly know for sure and Nasu has already forgotten about that at this point so it'll never be confirmed. In Diarmuid’s eyes, his “honorable” battle with Saber had been nothing more than a trick. This article is for younger Cú Chulainn (Prototype). However, Diarmuid does have two options for avoiding and preventing Gae Bolg's reverse causality attack. On the other hand, while Diarmuid is also battle ready, he is quite more emotional and regards his honor and pride as a knight with utmost importance. Diarmuid also will not be surviving "Barbed Spear that Pierces with Death" regardless of how far he tried to back off. First, the idea that the statement says that Diarmuid is in any way better than Cu. ._1x9diBHPBP-hL1JiwUwJ5J{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:#ff585b;padding-left:3px;padding-right:24px}._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4{height:16px;padding-right:4px;vertical-align:top}._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5{height:20px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:bottom}.QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{height:18px;padding-right:8px;vertical-align:top}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0{font-size:14px;font-weight:500;line-height:18px;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1LLqoNXrOsaIkMtOuTBmO5,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._2B0OHMLKb9TXNdd9g5Ere-,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 ._1xKxnscCn2PjBiXhorZef4,._3w_KK8BUvCMkCPWZVsZQn0 .QB2Yrr8uihZVRhvwrKuMS{fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)} When she fell pregnant, Cú Chulainn gave her a ring that Aífe was to give to their son. Servants are stated to be able to fight for several days without tiring so Diramuid won't get tired before Cu uses Gae Bolg seven times. It reminded me of Horatius Cocles who defended a bridge single handedly, which was one of my favorite ancient stories. For 5 , see Cú Chulainn (Alter). His spiked armor has been recreated with glossy paint, highlighting the differences in textures between materials. Even if he uses his speed to run away, the thrown Gae Bolg has a homming property and therefore is unavoidable. Cu being trained by Scathach doesn't automatically mean he's more skilled than someone who isn't if they have better feats. A: Diarmuid received more backup from his Master (magical energy supply), thus in terms of pure firepower, Diarmuid was stronger. They both died in a similar way, their master ordering them to kill themselves by plunging their respective spears through their hearts. This was my conclusion of OP's points as well. But remember, if this is true it only upscales Diarmuid as well due to Nasu's statement. Naaah. - That feat is useless here, as Cu was only able to do it because of his Protection from Arrows and because Gilgamesh wasn't AT ALL serious. The game of hurling is played between two teams on a large field. That is to say, this category in which Diarmuid is superior is not even a matter of his own merit, but rather the merit of his Master. Two, it's not as though any fandom with sizable worldbuilding and a healthy VS battle community doesn't disregard fishy word of god statements given in interviews all the time. For 3 , see Cú Chulainn (Caster). Of course, servant stats don't exactly represent what tier a servant is compared to the others, but they do show a difference between two class versions of the same servant if said class versions are in different star categories. He was angry and hurt, and cursed the Holy Grail as revenge. None of them. 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